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Curious and Curiouser Podcast

Aug 15, 2017

Join Tracey and Cayly in this week’s episode as they tackle the following question (submitted to them by a listener who shall remain nameless because they failed to ask her if they could use her name and/or an alias):


Why do we want to change and evolve, and why can’t we just be content with our lives as they are right now?


Good question, anonymous listener!


It’s true that Tracey and Cayly talk all the time on the show about the importance of putting yourself in uncomfortable situations, stepping outside your comfort zone, and doing hard things in order to grow and evolve in your life. But they’ve never actually talked about why growing and evolving are things to aspire to in the first place.


Well, they’re finally going there in this discussion. They talk about how challenging yourself is essential to building confidence, why change is inevitable, and why growth is necessary for staying healthy and engaged in an ever-evolving world.


They hope you enjoy this conversation and find it useful! And many thanks to the lovely listener who submitted this question. Please keep the questions coming. They love hearing from you!


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Highlights from this episode:


- We are evolving all the time anyway and being engaged in our own evolution is good for us

- Are contentment and growth-seeking mutually exclusive?

- Passive vs. active growth — different ways of engaging with this process of evolution and how it can cause some people more angst than others

- We’re all growing and changing, but we label it differently

- How Steven Covey’s 7 Habits of Highly Effective People was life-changing for Tracey when she was in undergrad (

- How the path of self-help can go awry

- Do Tracey and Cayly believe in brokenness?

- The ease with which we can avoid discomfort — especially physical discomfort — in our modern world and the negative consequences of being comfortable all the time

- New Seasons Market (

- Wim Hof (

- What are the benefits of cold exposure?

- Cayly’s experiment with the cold shower challenge

- Bonus photo of Tracey and Cayly taking an ice bath together after a crossfit workout at Intrepid Athletics (

- Getting Grit:  The Evidence-Based Approach to Cultivating Passion, Perseverance, and Purpose by Caroline Adams Miller (

- Why it is important to set stretch goals that push you outside your comfort zone

- Why it is important not to rescue your children from discomfort all the time

- The three hard things exercise vs. gratitude practices

- How the gym helps Tracey and Cayly confront discomfort regularly

- Why doing something physically challenging can help you build your discomfort muscle

- When sitting still and being quiet becomes an exercise in discomfort and how Cayly sees this play out in her treatment room

- Why boredom is important and the downsides to technology

- Deep Work:  Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World by Cal Newport (

- The importance of evolving as culture evolves

- Neuroplasticity and how evolving keeps us young

- Dan Siegel, M.D. (

- Can there can be contentment in the process of growing itself?

- And more!