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Curious and Curiouser Podcast

Feb 28, 2018

This week’s conversation has the potential to ruffle some feathers. Because Tracey and Cayly are taking on some charged topics — including gender, feminism, and inclusivity — and asking themselves this question:  Who is allowed to have an opinion anymore?


Both Tracey and Cayly were a little nervous to have this dialogue on the podcast, but also feel like these are important issues to be able to discuss freely in a open forum. So here goes.


If you have anything to add to this conversation, Tracey and Cayly would love to hear from you! Please email them your thoughts at And they encourage you to disagree with them and/or challenge their opinions. The more perspectives on these topics the better!


Highlights from this episode:


- The Instagram post that prompted this conversation

- Why we need to make space for more diverse stories without invalidating anyone’s story

- Tracey’s conversation with her 15yo son about the patriarchy

- Inclusivity in feminism and why we should be able to talk about the differences between us

- Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying on Joe Rogan’s podcast ( and why we shouldn’t deny biological truths

- Sports on Fire, Episode 6:  She Runs Like a Man (

- Our need to make space for nuance in conversations around gender and feminism

- Are generalizations ever useful?

- The patterns Tracey has witnessed in her work with couples

- Tracey’s experience raising both a girl and a boy, a biological child and an adopted child

- Being a tomboy as a child

- The tendency to dehumanize each other and why masculinity and femininity are necessary and equal

- Some thoughts on the #metoo movement

- The problem of political polarization and tribalism

- Why we need to ask ourselves what we actually believe instead of just following along with the group mentality

- The Armchair Expert Podcast with Dax Shepard (

- Why we should try to prove ourselves wrong and update our opinions over time

- There is a difference between opinion and facts

- Alternative facts are not true

- How telling our stories gives context for our opinions

- The danger of making someone else’s story about yourself

- Tracey’s experience in the queer community as a bisexual woman

- And more!


Piquing Our Curiosity:


Framebridge (, an online custom framing company that allows you to mail in or upload photos or art to have them framed and sent back to you within a week. Tracey loves this service and uses it often, noting that it is typically much more affordable than other custom framing options and is extremely convenient. Check them out online here ( and on Instagram here (