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Curious and Curiouser Podcast

Nov 6, 2018

Today, Tracey and Cayly are taking on a slightly somber topic, as they discuss what to do in the wake of tragedy, particularly when it unexpectedly strikes someone you love. The question they start with is:  Are you allowed to be joyful when someone you know is grieving?


Specific topics discussed include:


- Why it’s okay to compartmentalize grief sometimes

- How grief and joy can coexist

- Why you don’t have to (and shouldn’t) take on your partner or close friend’s emotions

- How feelings are contagious

- How to know what’s yours and what’s not yours emotionally

- Why we can’t fix other people’s pain and what to do instead

- How to deal with larger scale tragedies

- Our inherent negativity bias and why we seek to avoid discomfort

- Investment without attachment

- And so much more!


As mentioned in the opening to this episode, there is a GoFundMe for Liz Winters of Sprout Wellness ( to which Tracey and Cayly would truly appreciate you donating if you have even five dollars to spare. Liz is a repeat guest on the show and her family could really use as much support as possible right now. Thanks for considering!


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Elizabeth Gilbert Ted Talk (

Her post about grief as a full-bodied experience (

Brene Brown empathy vs sympathy (

Inside Out movie (

Living Beautifully with Uncertainty and Change by Pema Chodron (

When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chodron (

Broken Open by Elizabeth Lesser (

I’ll Be Gone in the Dark by Michelle McNamara (



Piquing Our Curiosity:

You’re Not Crazy, It’s Your Mother:  Understandind and Healing for Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers by Danu Morrigan (, a book Tracey highly recommends for anyone struggling to make sense of their relationship with their mother.